porting throt bod

[mackshackgabe]

Hey guys, i want to go ahead and port my stock header and was wondering if we can do the same thing for the throtle bod???? is there a diy for porting the throt body or just some pics?????????? what would you be porting in the throt body????????

Also, i heard many people put some sort of hear reflective material on the header!(heat wrap????) what is that material and where can i buy it????????

[SteveO000000001]

good place to get your throttle body done is...

www.maxbore.com

[Blue Bomber]

You're not gonna be able to port the throttle body properly by hand. Needs to be exactly round to match the larger throttle plate you'll need. If it's off, you'll have a vacuum leak at idle.

[SlicKcEliGTS]

ragnorak racing is selling a upraged throttle body now check their link or theie site.

[mackshackgabe]

he he, just a tad more dificult than proting the header huh?? :-D


im a little confused, what are the manifolds and runners????????????

[danGTS]

Originally Posted by mackshackgabe

im a little confused, what are the manifolds and runners????????????

Well .. I can tell now you shouldnt touch the TB yourself man ..

[xtraslo]

^^^^ what he said... wow...

if you have a respectable machineshop in your area you should be able to get a throttlebody ported, the pin filed, and the butterfly fabricated for a price much cheaper than the ragnorak racing... Like at LEAST 100 cheaper...

[gtspaul2zzge]

Originally Posted by danGTS

Well .. I can tell now you shouldnt touch the TB yourself man ..

[SteveO000000001]

www.maxbore.com


100$

[mackshackgabe]

Originally Posted by gtspaul2zzge

soooooooo........would anybody care to explain to me what the manifs and runners are for a tb porting newbie here


that maxbore sounds like a great price@@!!!!!! how much does a used tb run and wheres a good place to get one?? theres no crashed celis in the junkyards around here :-(

[many]

I wouldn't trust any other place for this !! Go with RAGNORAKRACING:
http://www.ragnorakracing.com/page/page/2452226.htm

[Blue Bomber]

Originally Posted by mackshackgabe

how much does a used tb run and wheres a good place to get one??

I sold one for $150 a while ago. Check eBay every now and then.

[gtspaul2zzge]

Originally Posted by many

I wouldn't trust any other place for this !! Go with RAGNORAKRACING:
http://www.ragnorakracing.com/page/page/2452226.htm

It's proven. Quality work, dyno results.
Not to mention, no waiting time. Your car wouldn't be "down" at all.

[Matrix_Xrs03]

Originally Posted by gtspaul2zzge

It's proven. Quality work, dyno results.
Not to mention, no waiting time. Your car wouldn't be "down" at all.

I don't see a dyno there and FYI, porting the TB won't give you 7whp; a friend of mine ported his TB and dyno it the same day and guess what? .5-1whp was all he got.

If you want to see some gain, you must port the IM as well because the new TB has a bigger bore than the IM so it's still restricted.

[gtspaul2zzge]

Originally Posted by Matrix_Xrs03

I don't see a dyno there and FYI, porting the TB won't give you 7whp; a friend of mine ported his TB and dyno it the same day and guess what? .5-1whp was all he got.

If you want to see some gain, you must port the IM as well because the new TB has a bigger bore than the IM so it's still restricted.

If you didn't notice the thread titled "Throttle Body Dyno Graphs. Ragnorak Racing" in this same section of the forum, there are dyno results of 4whp peak from just a larger bore throttle body. I know this to be true because it was done to my car. 7whp peak was realized after 20min. of tuning.

Soon, Brett (from Ragnorak Racing) is going to install a port matched intake manifold to my car, and see where that puts us.

[xtraslo]

Originally Posted by mackshackgabe

how much does a used tb run and wheres a good place to get one??

i've found '02 GTS throttlebodies for 100-150 +shipping...

hehe - same place i found 2ZZ-GE ECU's for $100

[danGTS]

Originally Posted by xtraslo

i've found '02 GTS throttlebodies for 100-150 +shipping...

hehe - same place i found 2ZZ-GE ECU's for $100

where?

[SteveO000000001]

Originally Posted by danGTS

where?

[mackshackgabe]

where???

[xtraslo]

a friend of mine runs a salvage here in VA.. apparently he can check a nationwide (and sometimes canada) database of parts and prices. I'll check with him today and see what the system is called... that way you can ask your local salvage if they have this system.

[Matrix_Xrs03]

Originally Posted by gtspaul2zzge

If you didn't notice the thread titled "Throttle Body Dyno Graphs. Ragnorak Racing" in this same section of the forum, there are dyno results of 4whp peak from just a larger bore throttle body. I know this to be true because it was done to my car. 7whp peak was realized after 20min. of tuning.

Soon, Brett (from Ragnorak Racing) is going to install a port matched intake manifold to my car, and see where that puts us.

Nope just saw it and this is the dyno my buddy did before and after TB installed with no tuning.

[240MAX]

Do you have the tb port with (65mm throttle plate) port or you I have the tb port with (68mm throttle plate)???
For my gts 2002 i have a gain with the tb port with 65mm throttle plate and matching IMO. my gain was 3whp and 2wtq with the stock ecu and with the with the pfc i have more and more gain
stock ecu with tb port 165whp 123wtq dynapack
with pfc best result was 193whp and 143wtq (dynapack) it not the same game (with tunning) and 2 of my friends have the same mod with no tb port and the max result was 175whp and 130wtq (same day and same maps at the same place) on dynapack.

[xtraslo]

well - my junkyard connection said the best place for private salvage searches remains car-part.com - long story short: i'm pissed @ him for not telling me his f'n program... but even car-part has a couple for 100-150... so....

[gtspaul2zzge]

Originally Posted by Matrix_Xrs03

Nope just saw it and this is the dyno my buddy did before and after TB installed with no tuning.

What type of car was this. What other mods did it have.

[Matrix_Xrs03]

Originally Posted by gtspaul2zzge

What type of car was this. What other mods did it have.

'04 Toyota Matrix Xrs, I/E/AEM Pulley/TB bored out @ 68 mm.

[LEDmod]

I have 2 spare throttle body....
I should send one to the maxbore.com
But I'm broke cause of the Gauge face production...

[SteveO000000001]

Originally Posted by Dooly

I have 2 spare throttle body....
I should send one to the maxbore.com
But I'm broke cause of the Gauge face production...

u need to sell me one cheap ..and ill have maxbore do it!!

[StreetPrototype]

anyone know wen ordering mwr 2zz engine package do they bore/port out the intake manifold & throttle body?just curious, right now im about 1500 away from a complete engine set up for turbo.

[Pulsar1]

So has anyone from here acually sent there throttle body out to Maxbore?

[blitzceli]

Im going there when I get back from christmas break. I live about 10 min away from them. Im having my intake and TB ported by them. Ragnorak is charging 600 somthing for a damn TB you are crazy to pay that much. 300 with core, still too much IMO. You can get a used fc for that much.

[gtspaul2zzge]

Originally Posted by blitzceli

Im going there when I get back from christmas break. I live about 10 min away from them. Im having my intake and TB ported by them. Ragnorak is charging 600 somthing for a damn TB you are crazy to pay that much. 300 with core, still too much IMO. You can get a used fc for that much.

You're wrong, it's $375, if you send back the stock throttle body from your car.

Ragnorak has some REAL plans for the 2zz. There are hardly any N/A parts available for our cars. I feel it's mostly due to the fact that everyone b****es and complains about first not having them, then about what they cost. It's a lose lose situation. I know this phrase has been used over and over, but you have to "pay to play." If people would support those who support us then there would be motivation for people who actually know what they are doing to make great, high quality parts that DO work. Maxbore is cheaper, no doubt there, but will maxbore create anything. . . NO. Ragnorak has plans for: Bored TB (available now), Intake manifold, Race header/race exhaust, and CAMS!! Possibly in the future, an affordible quality supercharger kit. Who knows what else. But honestly, comments like this would detour anyone from spending another dime on a hopeless cause. Point is, give support and credit where it's due. I don't mean to sound mean here, but it's aggrivating to read this.

[slidr]

If you get the TB bored out, would you also have to bore out the intake manifold where it meets the TB?

If so, that should be an easy DIY job.

[SteveO000000001]

I have a 2zz GTS throttle body for sale!!!! 70$$$$ takes it

[blitzceli]

Originally Posted by gtspaul2zzge

You're wrong, it's $375, if you send back the stock throttle body from your car.

Ragnorak has some REAL plans for the 2zz. There are hardly any N/A parts available for our cars. I feel it's mostly due to the fact that everyone b****es and complains about first not having them, then about what they cost. It's a lose lose situation. I know this phrase has been used over and over, but you have to "pay to play." If people would support those who support us then there would be motivation for people who actually know what they are doing to make great, high quality parts that DO work. Maxbore is cheaper, no doubt there, but will maxbore create anything. . . NO. Ragnorak has plans for: Bored TB (available now), Intake manifold, Race header/race exhaust, and CAMS!! Possibly in the future, an affordible quality supercharger kit. Who knows what else. But honestly, comments like this would detour anyone from spending another dime on a hopeless cause. Point is, give support and credit where it's due. I don't mean to sound mean here, but it's aggrivating to read this.

LOL its porting a TB you idiot. It is not that hard. Have you seen the quality maxbore does. NO, only on their website. Porting is porting, no matter who does it. As for porting headers and intake manifold maxbore can do that.. ONly a few will get the ranorak parts produced (mostly cams). So ultimatly they will be loosing money. I may be wrong though. There are other companies making exhausts, headers, cams have been talked about. So its not just Ranorak, there are many choices out there. So I dont know why your acting like ranorak is the ****, when they have just ported a STOCK TB..When I see their products and proven HP then I will give them their credit. For now I feel they are over charging to PORT a stock TB. If it was a full replacement. I could see that price plus more. It my opinion and im entitled, just as you are.

[gtspaul2zzge]

Originally Posted by slidr

If you get the TB bored out, would you also have to bore out the intake manifold where it meets the TB?

If so, that should be an easy DIY job.

You don't have to. You will make about 4hp with just the TB (proven by several cars now, including mine). You will make better gains port matching the two though. I'll be going to Ragnorak soon for the port matched IM.
I wouldn't call it an easy DIY job. The IM is aluminum, which is much harder than steel to bore, not to mention the fact that perfection is key to good gains. Doing it yourself is not advisable without the proper equipment.

[gtspaul2zzge]

Originally Posted by blitzceli

LOL its porting a TB you idiot. It is not that hard. Have you seen the quality maxbore does. NO, only on their website. Porting is porting, no matter who does it. As for porting headers and intake manifold maxbore can do that.. ONly a few will get the ranorak parts produced (mostly cams). So ultimatly they will be loosing money. I may be wrong though. There are other companies making exhausts, headers, cams have been talked about. So its not just Ranorak, there are many choices out there. So I dont know why your acting like ranorak is the ****, when they have just ported a STOCK TB..When I see their products and proven HP then I will give them their credit. For now I feel they are over charging to PORT a stock TB. If it was a full replacement. I could see that price plus more. It my opinion and im entitled, just as you are.

It's a little harsh to be calling names, especially when you obviously didn't understand my post.

Basically, IMO the reason why the celica community has been left behind in regards to aftermarket support is because most celica owners don't want to spend money on anything. Making it a waste of time and money for most manufacturers to put anything out there. We don't even have a race header, or one that makes substantiated power. There is one race exhaust (kazuma-now discontinued), and a few CAI intakes that are okay, that's it. I wonder why that is?

Everyone else has failed with their cams, crower, tpr, and cat cams.

I didn't say anything about the quality of maxbores work, just that they sure as h**l aren't going to CREATE any parts for our cars.

[slidr]

Originally Posted by gtspaul2zzge

You don't have to. You will make about 4hp with just the TB (proven by several cars now, including mine). You will make better gains port matching the two though. I'll be going to Ragnorak soon for the port matched IM.
I wouldn't call it an easy DIY job. The IM is aluminum, which is much harder than steel to bore, not to mention the fact that perfection is key to good gains. Doing it yourself is not advisable without the proper equipment.

But if you were to look through the ported throttle body, would you see any of the intake manifold's edges?

[blitzceli]

I was simply stating I dont see people paying 400 for 4 whp. If anything people will be going to max more. I do understand where your comming from. I feel the same way about people complaining, But 400 for a stock ported TB.. thats alittle over priced. You guys do need support/interest in the products you say that you will be producing, like cams. Ill be one of the few in line to get them if they are quality. But you have to realize people will buy an intake or exhaust before they spend 400 on a ported stock TB.

[blitzceli]

Originally Posted by slidr

But if you were to look through the ported throttle body, would you see any of the intake manifold's edges?

yes, but not much

[SteveO000000001]

Originally Posted by blitzceli

LOL its porting a TB you idiot. It is not that hard. Have you seen the quality maxbore does. NO, only on their website. Porting is porting, no matter who does it. As for porting headers and intake manifold maxbore can do that.. ONly a few will get the ranorak parts produced (mostly cams). So ultimatly they will be loosing money. I may be wrong though. There are other companies making exhausts, headers, cams have been talked about. So its not just Ranorak, there are many choices out there. So I dont know why your acting like ranorak is the ****, when they have just ported a STOCK TB..When I see their products and proven HP then I will give them their credit. For now I feel they are over charging to PORT a stock TB. If it was a full replacement. I could see that price plus more. It my opinion and im entitled, just as you are.

Actually i have seen the quality maxbore does..its amazing..ive had 3+ tb's done on past cars. VERY AMAZING quality!!!! I guarantee you cant find better quality for the price!!!

[blitzceli]

yes it is amazing. Thats all his business does is bore.

[Sylver1]

$100 per hp is pretty much standard, cams, lets say they give 10hp but cost over $1000, thats not giong to stop most people from buying them. This whole fvcking maxbore thing never popped up before ragnorak came up with the ported TB, a part comes out, people start to complain about the high price, and look for cheap alternatives, and start talking sh!t about the company that made the product.
I see why we dont have any parts made for the celica, its not that they are hard to make and make decent gains, its that idiots talk to much sh!t.
If you dont want to buy the product, just dont do it, and please shut up, so that companies dont get discouraged of making products for the people who do want to buy them, N/A is a very expensive route to go, specially if you want a decent amount of hp, if your not willing to pay the price, get a nitrous kit and blow up your engine.

[Pulsar1]

Yah the Civic community is alot more supportive than Celica owners.

[youngxlos]

sadly i have to agree with Pulsar1.......

[blitzceli]

Originally Posted by Sylver1

$100 per hp is pretty much standard, cams, lets say they give 10hp but cost over $1000, thats not giong to stop most people from buying them. This whole fvcking maxbore thing never popped up before ragnorak came up with the ported TB, a part comes out, people start to complain about the high price, and look for cheap alternatives, and start talking sh!t about the company that made the product.
I see why we dont have any parts made for the celica, its not that they are hard to make and make decent gains, its that idiots talk to much sh!t.
If you dont want to buy the product, just dont do it, and please shut up, so that companies dont get discouraged of making products for the people who do want to buy them, N/A is a very expensive route to go, specially if you want a decent amount of hp, if your not willing to pay the price, get a nitrous kit and blow up your engine.

so you get 3 hp from a intake and only 5 from a exhaust? Do you know how many people are actually interested in cams? A used turbo kit is that much and most on this board will agree that they dont have that kind of cash to throw around. How many people have the FC?, not many? As for mentioning max bore, No one started to ask about porting the TB until ranorak said they ported one. Most bc they know a stock ported TB is not worth 400 plus their's. Nobody is discouraging any one about not making parts. Its an opinion as I said before, stop crying and wipe your tears.

[SteveO000000001]

Originally Posted by Sylver1

$100 per hp is pretty much standard, cams, lets say they give 10hp but cost over $1000, thats not giong to stop most people from buying them. This whole fvcking maxbore thing never popped up before ragnorak came up with the ported TB, a part comes out, people start to complain about the high price, and look for cheap alternatives, and start talking sh!t about the company that made the product.
I see why we dont have any parts made for the celica, its not that they are hard to make and make decent gains, its that idiots talk to much sh!t.
If you dont want to buy the product, just dont do it, and please shut up, so that companies dont get discouraged of making products for the people who do want to buy them, N/A is a very expensive route to go, specially if you want a decent amount of hp, if your not willing to pay the price, get a nitrous kit and blow up your engine.

Actually i told you guys bout maxbore a long time ago..no one listened..ok cheif pay 300+ on a barely bored TB! lol

its d-bags like you that make places like maxbore.com look bad...HE DOES awesome work for CHEAP...what is the damn problem? What its no good because its less than 1k?

[youngxlos]

all i really wanna see from Ragnorak Racing are the freaking racing header, exhaust, and cams.

[Pulsar1]

Originally Posted by youngxlos

all i really wanna see from Ragnorak Racing are the freaking racing header, exhaust, and cams.

They said their comming soon...

[gtspaul2zzge]

Originally Posted by blitzceli

. You guys do need support/interest in the products you say that you will be producing, like cams. Ill be one of the few in line to get them if they are quality. But you have to realize people will buy an intake or exhaust before they spend 400 on a ported stock TB.

You've got me wrong. I'm not an employee of Ragnorak Racing, nor will I make any money or anything from their endeavors. I'm just some lucky guy that lives fairly close and has a car that fits their criteria. I'm what you would call their guinnea pig.
Also, keep in mind that with Ragnorak, they send you the new TB, then you send back the old one. You're not having your car down for a week or more.

Some people already have intake and exhaust and would like more than just the bare minimum.

[Sylver1]

I am not saying that maxbore is not good, but I rather pay more and give a company more support, so they can make more parts. There is not too much you can bore out, you need performance parts to help also. The $100 per hp applies after intake and exhaust pretty much, alot if not all of the N/A people want cams, and I think that more than one person would agree with me that the main thing that stops people from buying the PFC is not so much the price, but rather the paying for dyno tuning , and not being able to tune it yourself, or that people are waiting till they have enough mods to justify paying that much money. There would be no piont in getting a PFC as your 1st mod, and then go back and re-tune the car after every mod you make.
Everyone has there own opinions, but dont say that it does not disourage companies, specially ragnorak cuz they are on this board, they want to make parts, but if they see that people are not going to buy them, they wont even bother.
I like cheap also, but I wont go to maxbore for nothing (for the reasons I said before) not cuz I dont like them.
BTW, I am not crying, just asking people to keep it down, ragnorak might be the last chance for us who want to buy perfomance parts, please dont spoil it...Thanks.