PPE Header Dyno *Independent*

Redliner9k · 11-19-2007, 10:53 PM

Car: 2005 Corolla XRS
Mods: Injen CAI, 2.5" crushbent exhaust w/ decat, PPE Header

No tuning was done.

Lots of tuning room left in this.

Cheers

00silverGTS6spd · 11-19-2007, 10:55 PM

was the only change the header?? if so that's pretty good gains. PFC would climb that graph much higher.

Redliner9k · 11-19-2007, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 00silverGTS6spd

was the only change the header?? if so that's pretty good gains. PFC would climb that graph much higher.

Yes, only change was the PPE header.

kortik · 11-19-2007, 11:03 PM

nice

youngxlos · 11-20-2007, 12:01 AM

wow not bad at all. and if he gets better exhaust with mandrel bents you can pick up a few more ponies

Redpunk · 11-20-2007, 12:24 AM

Damn that's a nice number...
I will get this header for sure...

**jlitman** · 11-20-2007, 12:51 AM

Last GB I sponsor here, that's for sure.

Well... maybe if I get an IC set-up prototyped for the Greddy.

Red, thanks for posting this -- very nice! Looking forward to seeing what happens with tuning

ZaneMan · 11-20-2007, 01:11 AM

When are you going to tune one and show us what more can be coaxed out?

drewd · 11-20-2007, 01:21 AM

If I only had a GT-S..

**jlitman** · 11-20-2007, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewd

If I only had a GT-S..

There's a thead on the 1ZZ header R&D; it also made awesome gains. There'll be a GB for it in December, I just won't be running it.

drewd · 11-20-2007, 01:36 AM

I would but it just seems like a total waste.. I mean eventually I will get a 2zz and 6 speed...

When I do that, I'll do a full build and greddy sc it.

...But I need one of those "Career" thingys first =/

I'll focus on suspension for now..

00silverGTS6spd · 11-20-2007, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlitman

There's a thead on the 1ZZ header R&D; it also made awesome gains. There'll be a GB for it in December, I just won't be running it.

just gotta ignore the cry babies

**jlitman** · 11-20-2007, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 00silverGTS6spd

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlitman

There's a thead on the 1ZZ header R&D; it also made awesome gains. There'll be a GB for it in December, I just won't be running it.

just gotta ignore the cry babies

In the immortal words of Yoda*, "There is another..."

Not interested. Consumes too much of my time and energy.

*Thanks, 7G

danGTS · 11-20-2007, 03:58 AM

Nice!!!

7gToyotanut · 11-20-2007, 06:29 AM

Awesome numbers Red. I'll trade ya my dyno sheets for that one.

Jordan...I would have been easier if PPE would register and run their own GB, but they didnt seem all that excited about coming on these boards for some reason. I told them to get on here to field some questions, but I guess they would rather do it over the phone.

...and didn't Yoda say that?

03GTSTRD · 11-20-2007, 06:43 AM

Very nice gains especially with the $hitty exhaust. I guess i'm going to have to get one of these headers soon.

GTsRasta · 11-20-2007, 08:46 AM

Niceee. Get a better flowing exhaust setup on there and start tuning!!!

**vehicle_5** · 11-20-2007, 04:55 PM

Nice gains. I too would like to see how much tuning helps!!

**jlitman** · 11-21-2007, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7gToyotanut

...and didn't Yoda say that?

Google says you are the bigger Star Wars fan -- I stand corrected

Jesse IL · 11-21-2007, 06:28 AM

Somewhat concerned about the AFR on the PPE header. Am I correct to assume that you did a baseline dyno on the stock header, installed the PPE and then rolled it immediately back on the dyno? My concern is that with the learning stock ECU, I wonder how much of that gain is from leaning the car out, a gain that could go away after driving the car for a while? I'm by no means doubting the potential of the header, but rather if this test is representative of what you'd find on a stock ECU car?

Back when I did my AEM vs. Injen tests, I had the same dilema. I had seen a bunch of dyno charts claiming that the Injen made huge power over the AEM. Looking back on this now, and knowing that the MAFS reads lower in an Injen, we can assume that the Injen car would be running in a lower load cell meaning #1 more ignition advance and #2 less fuel. Those two factors alone would cause a significant bump in power. I didn't know that at the time, but regardless I decided that I wanted to test the AEM, install the Injen and do a bunch of driving, heading back to the dyno the next day (which had almost identical conditions). After the stock ECU had a chance to adjust to the Injen, this is what I got:

Which is why I've always recommended an AEM intake on a stock ECU car. Again, not trying to diminish the accomplishment, just making sure that its 100% applicable to a stock ECU car.

GTsRasta · 11-21-2007, 06:37 AM

Ah yes, the "learn" feature. Yet another simularity between our ECU and the Lotus ECU that has been downplayed.

Over at www.elisetalk.com, they claim that their ECU was made by martians, while our lowly GTS ECU was made other people from Venus.

Redliner9k · 11-21-2007, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesse IL

Somewhat concerned about the AFR on the PPE header. Am I correct to assume that you did a baseline dyno on the stock header, installed the PPE and then rolled it immediately back on the dyno? My concern is that with the learning stock ECU, I wonder how much of that gain is from leaning the car out, a gain that could go away after driving the car for a while? I'm by no means doubting the potential of the header, but rather if this test is representative of what you'd find on a stock ECU car?

Back when I did my AEM vs. Injen tests, I had the same dilema. I had seen a bunch of dyno charts claiming that the Injen made huge power over the AEM. Looking back on this now, and knowing that the MAFS reads lower in an Injen, we can assume that the Injen car would be running in a lower load cell meaning #1 more ignition advance and #2 less fuel. Those two factors alone would cause a significant bump in power. I didn't know that at the time, but regardless I decided that I wanted to test the AEM, install the Injen and do a bunch of driving, heading back to the dyno the next day (which had almost identical conditions). After the stock ECU had a chance to adjust to the Injen, this is what I got:

Which is why I've always recommended an AEM intake on a stock ECU car. Again, not trying to diminish the accomplishment, just making sure that its 100% applicable to a stock ECU car.

You assume incorrectly hehe

. We actually did a baseline run and installed the PPE header the day after, drove the car for a good 3 days from normal city driving, to highway driving to "balls to the wall" WOT runs and then went back to the dyno and go this results. It is my understanding that the ECU had the sufficient time to learn the new header and adjust. The conditions at the dyno were pretty much the same since here in PR it always the same weather, hot and humid

.

We plan to go back to the dyno with the same car, but this time with a PFC and see what it will do with a basemap and maybe some tuning.

**Boosted2.0** · 11-21-2007, 07:33 AM

On a side note - 176 HP is pretty good for just an injen CAI decat and 2.5" crushbent exhaust with a stock header

Redliner9k · 11-21-2007, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0

On a side note - 176 HP is pretty good for just an injen CAI decat and 2.5" crushbent exhaust with a stock header

With PPE header... he put down 168whp with the stock header.

**adosdrummer** · 11-22-2007, 08:50 AM

umm one quick question, is this guys header the regular ppe header or does it have the burns collector and or been coated?

**jlitman** · 11-22-2007, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesse IL

Somewhat concerned about the AFR on the PPE header.

I've watched AFR's stablize while ON the dyno. The ECU begins adjusting things VERY quickly. I've found it takes about 15 - 20 minutes of driving at various load points for LTFT's to begin to stabilize, and any weird problems or foibles usually seem to crop up within a couple of trips. It should only take a week or more if someone hardly drives their car.

Celicasaur · 11-22-2007, 04:47 PM

Nice work there, Red' thanx for sharing

Redliner9k · 11-22-2007, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adosdrummer

umm one quick question, is this guys header the regular ppe header or does it have the burns collector and or been coated?

Regular header without coating. He put on some Thermotec on it.

**adosdrummer** · 11-22-2007, 06:44 PM

thermotec, as in the wrap stuff? i belive that would be the cheaper way to go...
but not as effective and doesnt prevent rust.
not to steal from the thread, but can the stock header take the extra heat by wrapping it with header wrap?

Redliner9k · 11-22-2007, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adosdrummer

thermotec, as in the wrap stuff? i belive that would be the cheaper way to go...
but not as effective and doesnt prevent rust.
not to steal from the thread, but can the stock header take the extra heat by wrapping it with header wrap?

Yes, the wrap stuff. Yes, it ain't as efficient as coating. Yes, the stock header can take it.

**Jintei** · 11-22-2007, 09:57 PM

Nice! Can't wait to install mine!

**adosdrummer** · 11-22-2007, 11:00 PM

alright thank redline!

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Jesse IL GT2871R Inside Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,169 iTrader: (14)	Somewhat concerned about the AFR on the PPE header. Am I correct to assume that you did a baseline dyno on the stock header, installed the PPE and then rolled it immediately back on the dyno? My concern is that with the learning stock ECU, I wonder how much of that gain is from leaning the car out, a gain that could go away after driving the car for a while? I'm by no means doubting the potential of the header, but rather if this test is representative of what you'd find on a stock ECU car? Back when I did my AEM vs. Injen tests, I had the same dilema. I had seen a bunch of dyno charts claiming that the Injen made huge power over the AEM. Looking back on this now, and knowing that the MAFS reads lower in an Injen, we can assume that the Injen car would be running in a lower load cell meaning #1 more ignition advance and #2 less fuel. Those two factors alone would cause a significant bump in power. I didn't know that at the time, but regardless I decided that I wanted to test the AEM, install the Injen and do a bunch of driving, heading back to the dyno the next day (which had almost identical conditions). After the stock ECU had a chance to adjust to the Injen, this is what I got: Which is why I've always recommended an AEM intake on a stock ECU car. Again, not trying to diminish the accomplishment, just making sure that its 100% applicable to a stock ECU car. __________________

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GTsRasta Future 2ZZ-GZE member... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: East Meadow, NY Posts: 4,123 iTrader: (3)	Ah yes, the "learn" feature. Yet another simularity between our ECU and the Lotus ECU that has been downplayed. Over at www.elisetalk.com, they claim that their ECU was made by martians, while our lowly GTS ECU was made other people from Venus. __________________ 03 Celica GT-S, 6 Speed Manual, Carbon Blue >=) Performance Mods: eBay Intake, TWM Short Shifter, Kumosport Shifter Base Bushings

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adosdrummer jesuslovesmecrowd Join Date: May 2007 Location: houston tx Posts: 1,609 iTrader: (0)	thermotec, as in the wrap stuff? i belive that would be the cheaper way to go... but not as effective and doesnt prevent rust. not to steal from the thread, but can the stock header take the extra heat by wrapping it with header wrap?

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